The IDEAL Investor Show: The Path to Early Retirement

How Jeff Made 7 Figure Exits in just 7 years | Shortcuts to Financial Freedom

• Axel Meierhoefer

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In this episode, it was an honor to interview Jeff Kikel is an Entrepreneur, Author, and Podcaster. Starting off as a shy introvert, Jeff went on to become a successful financial advisor. After 20 years and 7 failed attempts at starting side hustles, Jeff left the corporate world and formed his first two successful businesses in 2015. This led to starting an additional 4 businesses in 9 years, and in 2023, Jeff reached his Freedom Day, the first day that he had a work-optional lifestyle. Jeff now works with others to help them build their own Freedom Day Blueprints.

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[00:00-06:47] Military to Freedom Day

[06:48-08:20]Marketing and Sales Strategies

[08:21-16:47] 1% Mindset

[16:48-17:55] Franchising made easy

[17:56-21:12] Power of a Bucket List

[21:13-23:49]Passive Income through REI

[23:50-33:56] Most Important Step

[33:57-37:38] Great man?

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Jeff: [00:00:00] Instead, you gotta retrain your brain to say, what can I do to get that? Which is exactly what you did. 

Axel: Yeah. 

Jeff: Alright. I want a oped. My dad said, no, I'm not gonna give it to you. I'll help you with your driver's license. Okay. What do I have to do to get that? And when you can retrain your brain around that, then it makes it really easy.

Jeff: And so we do it in like a very short step. 

Axel (2): Welcome to The Ideal Investor Show. This is the podcast where we help you challenge your mindset and discover where you are. Let's go. Hello and welcome to another episode of The Ideal and Investor Show, where we bring you great guests who help us learn more about money and investing in all those kind of good things.

Axel (2): And today we have another great guest, Jeff Kicker is with us. Welcome Jeff. 

Jeff: Thanks, Ali or Axel? Uh, glad to be on today. 

Axel (2): Yeah. Wonderful. Thank you so much for making the time. So before we start, kind of like the discussion, tell the audience a little bit, who is Jeff, how did he get to where he is today and, and stuff like that.[00:01:00]

Jeff: Uh, well, I, you know, I, I graduated high school here in the United States, went into the military and, uh, really kind of opened my eyes to the world. Um, got to travel all over the world and, uh, when I got out, or actually before I got out, I was going to college. And I, you know, I kind of had, my original thought was I wanted to be an engineer and that's what I want to do.

Jeff: That's what my dad was. And about two to three years into my university program realized that I had no interest in being an engineer and being trapped in a little room all day long, staring at a computer. Um, so I ended up just deciding, you know what I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something different and figure it out.

Jeff: And ended up getting into advertising and that. In turn got me introduced to a mentor that got me into sales. Oh, and since that point, I've, I've always had a sales job in some way, shape or [00:02:00] form. I, I've never done anything else different. Um, but what I ended up morphing into was the financial services industry in 1994.

Jeff: Um, and I really truly found the, the love of my life there when it came to a job. Uh, loved. Learning. The, the beauty of the financial services industry is it's a never ending amount of information, you know, investing, you just can never get to the end of the internet with it. And I, I did that, I just learned everything I possibly could.

Jeff: And somewhere, uh, I, I wanna say probably mid two thousands, uh, after a major market downturn, after a layoff. After, um, you know, really kind of getting a shock to my system, I realized at some point I wanted to figure out how to get my time freedom, my money freedom and what I call now freedom and intention of, [00:03:00] of living life intentionally instead of kind of.

Jeff: Living at the, the, uh, you know, just accept it as it comes and, and be passive about it. I wanna be active about my life. And so that over time morphed into me working with clients and talking about what I call Freedom Day. It all came from meeting with one client who, you know, I, after doing it for as long as I have, I could take a look at that client and say, okay, you're, you're gonna be successful.

Jeff: You're gonna be fine. You have enough money and enough income coming in to be able to be successful. But he didn't think he did. And somehow I blurted out, well, you know what? You're at your Freedom day. You, you woke up and you didn't have to go to work today. And. I saw this kind of relief come over him and a smile come on his face.

Jeff: And you don't always get that when you do retirement planning for people. A lot of people are far behind and or they think they are. And it's just kind of this [00:04:00] negative connotation. And so that began me having that conversation more and more. Um, and then in my own life. In 2022, I reached my Freedom Day.

Jeff: I had built with a partner, a financial practice, very large financial practice. Um, he came to me one time. We were kind of going in different paths at that point, and he came to me in 2022 and said, Hey, I wanna buy you outta the business. You're going one way, I'm going the other, and I wanna take the practice.

Jeff: Uh, I'll buy you out. And all of a sudden, you know what I had been talking to people about for years and, and thought that it was years away for me, all of a sudden became a reality. And, you know, that led me to. Look back at the last 10 years before that and realize what I had done, all the steps that I had done, and I just codified that into what I call the Freedom Day method, which is an eight step process [00:05:00] that if people follow it, they'll do be able to do what I did, you know, which is reach my.

Jeff: Reach my Freedom day. I mean, I have complete financial time and, uh, and intentional freedom doesn't mean I don't work. I mean, I still work probably harder than I ever have, but if I don't want to, I don't have to. 

Axel (2): Yeah, that's perfect. And thank you for describing that. That is actually a bunch of questions, um, that popped up, um, based on that first one is, as a fellow.

Axel (2): Military person, I have to ask which service and what, what kind of stuff did you do? 

Jeff: Uh, US Army. I was a, uh, army ranger, so I spent five years of my life in, uh, all over the world, uh, jumping outta planes and doing all kinds of crazy stuff, uh, down in Central America, over in, uh, the, the Middle East and everything like that.

Jeff: Back in the, back in the, uh, late eighties, early nineties. 

Axel (2): [00:06:00] Okay. Very cool. Well, I was in the Air Force Oh, cool. Flying over the guys that were on the ground. 

Jeff: That was my original intention that the whole, the whole plan, the, the evil plan was get a degree in aerospace engineering and then go fly airplanes for a living.

Jeff: And, um, something I, I went off the deep end and went the other way and, and jumped out of the perfectly good airplane. So. 

Axel (2): Yeah. Well we only did that for training and then yeah. Said, okay, now we know why we don't want to do this on a regular 

Jeff: basis. This is not fun. Yeah. We wanna be flying above. 

Axel (2): Yeah. Well, and the, the being on the shoot was not the problem, but the landing was always the issue.

Jeff: Yeah, it is. It is. And, and dropping with, uh, you guys are just dropping with your body weight. We're dropping with another 80 pounds on top of us too. 

Axel: Yeah. 

Axel (2): Okay. Very cool. Um. So the other thing that I find intriguing is you mentioned that you got into marketing and sales and were always in, in somewhat of a sales role.

Axel (2): Yep. When it comes to helping [00:07:00] people with Freedom Day, how important do you. See in hindsight how that is for you to be able to attract people to know who is Jeff, what does Jeff and stuff like that. Well, 

Jeff: you know, and I think the interesting part is, uh, my, my degree that I eventually got was a, a degree in psychology with a minor in English literature.

Jeff: Um, I understand how people think and I, I can write well. 

Axel (2): Okay. 

Jeff: Is one I understand the psychology of, of the mindset that people have in a lot of cases. Um, I'm good on camera. So, you know, I, I have a YouTube or multiple YouTube shows, podcasts. Um, I put out a ton of content. It, it's funny, my content is.

Jeff: Shrinking this year. I'm, I'm really focused on LinkedIn and just decided that I was just gonna focus on LinkedIn this year. So that's about the only place you can find me now besides my, my, you know, YouTube show. But, um, you know, I, [00:08:00] the, the writing aspect of it, I've written, you know, going on 12 books now.

Jeff: Um, so, you know, on, on multiple subjects within the financial realm and the business realm. Um, I find I'm writing a lot more about business now because I work with a lot of business owners. I just kind of stumbled into the fact that I really enjoyed working with business owners. I. And so many business owners struggle their way through life.

Jeff: You know, you think, okay, well you have your own business, you're gonna make lots of money and, and most small business owners don't. Um, and I want to help them be successful with that, and I want to help them get to the end at some point and get their freedom. So that's really been my focus this year especially.

Axel (2): Yeah, that's very cool. And maybe you and I can talk about some of that, um, after the show. Um. I actually can second that because we also have some business owners in our mentoring program and yeah, what's kind of interesting is when you [00:09:00] never really intended to scale to something really big, which I have to say, I know about people that have been successful doing this, but the majority of those I have had a chance to talk to.

Axel (2): Don't, that doesn't mean that their businesses don't grow, but I mean, no, you know, but, so if they remain in a relatively prominent role, I find it interesting that almost none of them ever thinks about an exit strategy. 

Jeff: No. 

Axel (2): Right. And so, I mean, in your case, your partner did that. I don't know if you had that planned or if that came a little bit as 

Jeff: No, and it was completely, yeah, it was complete.

Jeff: It was a shock and you know, it was kind of the. I, I guess the best way to explain it was the 12 stages of gr or the 10 stages of grief. You know, I mean, it was like, okay, you know, I've worked my ass off to, to grow this business over these years, and I mean, what are you telling me that I'm not part of that anymore?

Jeff: And I mean, you know, so I, I went through that whole thing and then it was kind of a, an interesting catharsis for me. [00:10:00] Um, you know, effectively when, when he said, okay, well I wanna buy you out, and, and we came up with the, you know, kind of the agreement at that point, the, the handshake agreement, you know, I was effectively out of the business and okay, I don't really have anything to do.

Jeff: I don't have a job anymore besides the other businesses that I ran. And it was, it was actually a good thing. And it was something that when I talked to people about the Freedom Day method, I talked to them about. You, you don't have to do, you know, I'm, I'm pretty high speed, low drags. I want to be doing something, but you don't have to be doing something productive as far as money every minute of the day after you've had an exit like that.

Jeff: And, you know, for me it was really about a year and a half of, of self discovery and what I wanted to do and everything else. And that allowed me to do some writing. Um, you know, I mean, I, I was extraordinarily productive in the writing side. I mean, of those 12 [00:11:00] books that I've written, I wrote 10 of them in 2024.

Jeff: Um, you know, I mean, just head down, banging out books, you know, and, and it was, it was for a reason because I wanted to use those as a tool for kind of the, the future of my business. And, um, you know, I, I continue that pace. I, I will continue that pace this year as well. 

Axel (2): Absolutely. And that's very cool. Um, the way I, in my mentoring oftentimes try to portray it has some similarities.

Axel (2): And as somebody with a financial background, financial industry background, I'm liking it a little bit to like a syndicate. And in our case, when we are talking about what, you know, the similarity is really striking. Um, we call it time freedom point, the shortest that I've seen somebody get there.

Axel (2): Typically more like an employee like, um, high earning employee. We, we have this term Henry, right? Like high earning, not which yet. So, yeah. Um, but. [00:12:00] In a syndicate, you typically expect the, the exit to be after about seven years. And the shortest I've seen to get for somebody to get to the time freedom Point is about eight years more typical.

Axel (2): 10 to 12 years. 

Jeff: Yeah. 

Axel (2): But the, the analogy that I like to draw is basically there are a lot of trees. Tell you a little bit that I like gardening, right? There are a lot of trees that you have to plant and nurture and stuff like that and takes easily seven to eight years until they start having fruit, and then they really get into the big time fruit at about nine, 10 years.

Axel (2): And then they go for like quite a while. 

Jeff: About, it's, it's my, my experience, the fastest I've seen somebody do it under the way that I do it is about five years. Um, you know, and I mean, a lot of that depends on what you need to live on. You know, I mean, if, if somebody is, you know, okay, they're making a, [00:13:00] let's say $150,000 a year and they're living on $150,000 a year, that's a pretty, you know, it's pretty stout.

Jeff: Move to get yourself to that point. But, you know, I've had people, uh, the funniest thing is I had a, I had a young lady who was a relatively new teacher, you know, she was a, a, a special needs teacher and, you know, she was making maybe 35,000 a year, uh, American. And, you know, we sat down, we put together a plan and a strategy for her, and she started a little side business that, you know, within.

Jeff: Four years was, you know, was easily bringing in almost 60,000 a year. It's almost double what she was making in her job. And, you know, somewhere in that time period she ended up shifting gears and leaving teaching. You know, she was a, it's a loss to the, the teaching industry, but for her, she had complete freedom.

Jeff: She could live anywhere in the world and that's what she really wanted to [00:14:00] do. She wanted to be able to, to travel around the world and, and be able to still work. And she was able to do that. 

Axel (2): Yeah, absolutely. I mean, my, my observation in this context is twofold. Number one is how have you been raised? Yeah.

Axel (2): The other part that I found is that it has a lot to do with age, right? Yeah. Like I, I, I joke around and say, okay, if you're still relatively close to dormitory living, you can't tell me that you suddenly need a hundred grand to live on. That's precisely correct. Yeah. 

Jeff: Well, and I mean, you know, I come to the realization with.

Jeff: I, I talked to a lot of people that are parents and for some, I don't know where this changed. 'cause I mean, I grew up with very frugal parents. Uh, you know, my dad always worked, uh, both parents worked, so, you know, they had money coming in. I mean, there were periods of time where my dad got laid off, you know, and, and we had to economize and all that type of stuff, but.

Jeff: You know, I, I, I was an only child, so I should [00:15:00] be the one, I was the only child and only grandchild, so I should have been the one that was spoiled and had all this stuff. But I, uh, when I tell people this that are, that are parents now, when I was 12 years old, my mom walked me into the, the laundry room and she's like, let me introduce you to the washer and the dryer.

Jeff: From now on, you're gonna be handling your own. Laundry and I, the, the look of shock that I see on people's faces when, when I say that to them, I was like, that's what I was raised on. You know, and, and the, the kids today that want to still live at home into their twenties and all that, I couldn't wait to get outta the house.

Jeff: My parents made my life miserable. They want, you know, they, it was like, if you're gonna live under my roof, I'm gonna make your life miserable. So, you know, when I turned 17, I went off and joined the military. I graduated high school the next year, but I joined the military at 17. I went through basic training at age 17 in my junior [00:16:00] summer, um, because I was ready to get out and, and I.

Jeff: Live my life at that point. And, and it's funny that people want to protect their kids today and you're not really protecting 'em 'cause you're not forcing them to, to actually go out and live. And they, they leave the h the house eventually with that belief that, well I should, you know, my first job should pay me enough.

Jeff: That I can afford to live, you know, like I was living at my parents and I'm like, no, that's not how it works. I mean, you've gotta struggle a little bit at the beginning. You've gotta appreciate the fact that, hey, I, you know, I'm not living on a, you know, used furniture and everything else. I'm, I'm living a good life because I built that life and, and somebody didn't hand it to me.

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Axel (2): Yeah, absolutely, and I mean, I don't. I would say, I wouldn't call it [00:18:00] miserable. Yeah, it had something to do. And that's at least, uh, how my parents raised it, uh, with responsibility, right? So 

Jeff: when I, when I started codifying, I, I, I started thinking for myself, okay, what, what helped me to be successful? I. Um, you know what?

Jeff: During that, let's say 10 year period that I was in transition to get to my Freedom Day, one of the steps in the process that I created is what I call retraining your brain. Because so many of us have been trained to think, okay, well, I, I want a moped. I want this, and, you know, I'll just buy it instead of figuring out, you know.

Jeff: Or or saying, well, I'm just not gonna do it because I can't afford it right now. Instead, you gotta retrain your brain to say, what can I do to get that? Which is exactly what you did. 

Axel: Yeah. 

Jeff: Alright. I want a oped. My dad said No, I'm not gonna give it to you. I'll help you with your driver's license. [00:19:00] Okay, what do I have to do to get that?

Jeff: And when you can retrain your brain around that, then it makes it really easy. And so we do it in like a very short step. So the, the second step of the process is we have 'em do a bucket list and tell me all the things that you want to do before you die. And then pick three of those things that can be done for under $500 and within the next five months.

Jeff: And once you have that goal, then figure out how you're gonna do it. Are you gonna sell your time on Upwork? Let's say do, uh, you know, do projects for people on Upwork? Um, you know, ideally you're doing something that. Doesn't sell time, but sells knowledge so that you're, you're able to re make that repetitive and scalable at some point, but you know, then you start to get to that point where it's like, oh, well I want this.

Jeff: Okay, what do I need to do to get to that? It's $500. I mean, I did [00:20:00] this, this, this was kind of my. What I would call my graduation project when I was going through my year of, okay, let's just take some time off. And I said, you know, on my bucket list there were 12 things. And, and it always rolls around to one of three things for me.

Jeff: It's either planes, trains, or automobiles. Uh, it, those are the things I love most. And, you know, my first, one of my first goals on that list was I want to drive a Lamborghini. At the F1 track here in Austin. So I was very specific. I wanted to do that and that costs about $500. And so I ended up, this is funny, I ended up, I was like, how can I do this?

Jeff: So I've got some money that came from my. You know, the, the sale of the business, I could just take $500 and I had like 10, or I had another 12 of these things lined up. Everything from flying on a World War II bomber to going on a really amazing [00:21:00] train that only exists. There's only one of them in the world.

Jeff: And I decided, I was like, you know what, if I did one of these each month and all of them cost about $500, if I can just create $500 of income, I'm gonna do that. So I ended up going out and buying a piece of property, bought a a single family home that was close to a hospital. And I tried a, a technique that I learned off of a, a real estate podcast, which is to use that property for midterm rentals, right?

Jeff: To traveling nurses, 

Axel: right? 

Jeff: And so traveling nurses, if you don't know anything about them, if you're a real estate person. They work on 13 week contracts, so they, they work for a quarter for a contract. They get paid here in the States, at least they get paid a stipend, usually a couple thousand dollars a month.

Jeff: I. That they can use to, you know, pay for housing and things like that. And so they're very [00:22:00] stable. They don't tear up your property, you don't have to deal with it like a short-term rental. And I was able, and they pay more 'cause it's a furnished property, they pay more than a long-term rental. And so I was able to have positive cash flow of $500 a month.

Jeff: Every month, and I had a lot of these nurses that would work a second contract. So I might have two turns a year in this property generating $500 free cash flow every month. And I used that to do my year of just going and having fun. So I did all these amazing things in a year and not a dime of that came out of my investment.

Axel (2): You know that money I got and, and it shows, I mean, depending on exactly if you did that 22 right away when you got the money, or if you did it 24 makes a huge difference about the valuation of properties in Austin. Yeah. Um. But if you did it right away in 22, you probably could, even [00:23:00] if you were smart, you'd finance it for like a low mortgage trade.

Axel (2): And 

Jeff: I did. I did. Well, and the beauty of it is I got done with, you know, that year of my, my 12 planes, trains, and automobile things, and I now have a $500 cash. I have $500 free cash flow every 

Axel (2): month. That well, yeah, exactly. But what I wanted to get into, which is kind of very well aligned for our audience, is 

Axel: yes.

Axel: A 

Axel (2): great example to say, okay, you had this quote unquote windfall Yep. Somewhat unexpected, and you didn't reduce, most likely actually increased your asset value out of that windfall and still do all those things. 

Jeff: Yep. 

Axel (2): And so that's, that's one of those lessons. Um, we are already quite a ways in, but if you were to pick one of those eight steps, which one would you say is the most important one?

Axel (2): And tell us a little bit about it. 

Jeff: So I, and this'll be the, the funny one. It's the last one that I, I really codified. Okay. And this, this [00:24:00] was, so about two weeks after my partner came to, I was still, I was just unbelievably hacked off. I was just not happy. I. And I actually had been invited to, to, uh, an industry conference that was paid for.

Jeff: So I, I went to California to this incredibly beautiful place in the mountains of California for a week for this conference. And I didn't wanna be around anybody. I didn't wanna see anybody. I. Uh, just, I was not in the mood at that point. I was trying to figure out what my future was gonna be. And interestingly enough, when I got to the conference and I got there way earlier than everybody else for some reason, and when I walked in, they handed me this.

Jeff: Little book. It was a little kind of gray book about this big, and it was, it said bucket list journal on it. And I was like, what is this? And they said, well, we're having a speaker come in. He's the, the writer of this book, and he, [00:25:00] uh, he's gonna be here. And so I, you know, he was not gonna be there. And the conference didn't start for another day.

Jeff: So I'm there by myself. My wife didn't come with me, and so I'm in this beautiful hotel, in this beautiful place and I've got this little bucket list journal and I, yeah, I thought to myself, I've never written a bucket list. I've gotta have some goals for the future. Might as well take this time to do that.

Jeff: And it was probably the most amazing event. It's the most amazing part of my life that I will say over the last 12 years was sitting down and putting that together. And putting that list together and saying, this is all the stuff that I want to do. And some of it was financial. Some of it was relationship oriented, some of it was health oriented.

Jeff: Uh, but it put in front of me, these are the things that I should be doing. And that honestly, I realized that should have been, I. One of the most important things that I had done years [00:26:00] before, and it was the thing that I, I stress with clients now of doing that, putting that bucket list together. Don't wait and say, okay, well I'm saving for retirement.

Jeff: And that's, you know, 20 or 30 years away. It's very difficult to keep yourself excited. Unless you're rewarding yourself along the path, and so I teach people to use that bucket list now as a means of rewarding yourself along the path. In some instances it might be, you know what? I'm going to take part of the money that I'm saving, put it into a property like I did that's generating positive cash flow so that I can do some of those bucket list things or I can build up.

Jeff: It's a lot faster to do that than it is to save up enough money to generate a replacement income for myself. It's way easier to leverage a property. That's generating positive cash flow and you pile up a few of those and you [00:27:00] can replace your income a lot sooner, uh, or you start a business or whatever it is, but reward yourself with that bucket list along the way and that I honestly, it's the most important thing I.

Jeff: I find it's the, it's the thing that I give every new client is I give them a bucket list and I usually give the husband and a wife, uh, separate ones and have the, you know, each of them, you do yours, you do yours, and then put that together. My wife and I did that, and that's been some of the most fun trips we've taken where we've pulled some of her items and my items and put those together and just had an amazing experience.

Axel (2): No, that's very cool. And thank you for describing that. And if you don't mind, I would love to have the link to the exact name of that little booklet Yeah. Um, that we can put in the show notes for the audience. I will, uh, take that as a lesson and, and take a closer look at it because one thing I find is having a goal, like, especially when it comes to this time freedom point, or [00:28:00] freedom Day as you call it.

Axel (2): Um. I stole that term from Brandon Bouchard. He calls it the big hairy, audacious call. Mm-hmm. But then I also am a big subscriber to a guy named John Kota, who is more a change expert. But he says in the process of change, and what we are both describing is in the way a process of change, not so much in personal personality, but in your financial abilities and, and, and assets.

Axel (2): Uh, and he says. As part of his, uh, change process, celebrate the small wins. Yep. And now that would fit perfectly together to say Okay. Why not make one of your bucket list items? One of those small wins? 

Jeff: Yeah. And that, that's more than you know. I mean, so many people, oh, you know, if you reach a goal, you know, take your family out to dinner or something like that.

Jeff: No. If you reach a goal and you, let's say you generate $500, you know, or, or you, you have three goals and you generate $500 [00:29:00] that you can use to do those three goals, why not have those be a big thing? I mean, uh, what I came to realize is. My, my first of those kind of big, you know, like life, what I considered at that time, life changing.

Jeff: Now I don't, but what I considered life changing. I wanted to drive a, a Lamborghini, you know, and I've always loved Lamborghinis. They're amazing cars. Until I drove one, you know, I, I came to the realization that. Lamborghinis are built for like five foot, two inch, you know, 120 pound Italians. They are not built for six foot, three inch former rugby players, um, to drive.

Jeff: I mean, it's a massively uncomfortable car to drive, and I cannot imagine driving it on city streets. You, you'd lose all your teeth as a result of it, but driving it on an F1 track that it's designed to be on. Was an amazing experience and I don't ever need to do that again. You know, I, [00:30:00] I, I'm onto the next thing.

Axel (2): Yeah, I, I mean, I wanna say one thing and we are still recording, so, um, it's a little bit unusual to do this on, on the show, on, on Live Air, but I would encourage you to do the same thing, maybe even same location, but with a Model S played from Tesla. Yeah, because that's a super comfortable luxury car who is probably very close to almost beating the Lamborghini.

Jeff: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. I, I just drove my, yeah, I just drove my first Tesla, um, in Boston a few months ago. We, we rented one when we were up there, and it was an amazing car to drive it. It's a weird car to drive. I'm, I'm used to, I'm, I'm a. Petrol guy. So I mean, I, I, I liked the sound of a, a motor and I mean, it was weird driving it and not having that, the sound at all.

Axel (2): I hear you. And I, I understand that. I meant it more. One of the things I'm suspecting is the exhilaration of, of acceleration. [00:31:00] Oh, absolutely. In the, the kind of way, uh, a Lamborghini or, or those kind of cars, Ferraris and stuff stick to the road. Yep. And. The, the weird, besides not making a lot of noise, the really weird thing with a, with a Model S plaid is it has 1000 horsepower.

Axel (2): It goes zero to 60 in two seconds. Mm-hmm. But you're sitting in a luxury car. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I, it doesn't have to be bucket list, but I, you know, yeah. 

Jeff: When the, uh, when the plaid first came out, I saw Jay Leno on his show here when he. Still had his show on TV here. Uh, he drove one of the first plaids.

Jeff: He, he did a, a drag race and one of the first plaids and I mean, just the look on his face when he got done. 'cause I mean, it just sets you back in the seat and goes, so, 

Axel (2): yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to be 150 pounds and five foot two. No. 

Jeff: Exactly. Yeah. You can actually be comfortable. That is the one thing I will say, they're, they're incredibly comfortable cars to be in and, you know, it's [00:32:00] fast and has, has great performance so.

Axel (2): Okay, cool. Well, uh, coming back to, to the main part, if people want to get in touch with you, Jeff, and, and learn a little bit more about the eight steps and 12 books and, and, and adding on more and stuff. Yeah, keep going. 

Jeff: Um, best place to go. So I will tell you two places, so you can always find me on LinkedIn that that's my active place where I, I hang out every day.

Jeff: I, I spend probably five to six hours. Interacting with people on LinkedIn, uh, through my profile. And it's just Jeff kick old J-E-F-F-K-I-K-E-L. I'm the only one, which is easy. It makes it simple. Um, the other place, if you wanna learn more about the Freedom Day method, it's just www.freedomdaymethod.com.

Jeff: And that has linked to the book. It has the eight steps on there and everything else. Um, and that. Uh, the, the book officially comes [00:33:00] out next week, so it's good timing for y'all. Um, I've been talking about this thing for a year and a half, but it's, it's been a lot, a labor of love and it, it was kind of a, one of those things.

Jeff: I had to go through some things before I could really bring it out. 

Axel (2): That's very cool. And one thing, I'm assuming you can get it on Amazon right next week. You can, 

Jeff: you can get it directly through Amazon. 

Axel (2): Do do Jeff, a solid for everybody listening to us. And if, if, if you, let's say in the second half of 2025.

Axel (2): So if, if the show is already out and you come to it a little later, still don't just order the book, give them a review. Because, I mean, my book is on Amazon as well, and one of the things that makes a little bit of difference, nobody puts books on Amazon to get rich, but it makes a difference if you keep collecting reviews.

Axel (2): So I always think that's, that's a nice thing to do. It's not hard to do. Give it a rating, give it a review, and, and help Jeff out a little bit in that. So thank you so much, Jeff. Last question, totally unrelated is if you could meet [00:34:00] anybody dead or alive, who would it be and why? 

Jeff: Um, actually, so on the, on the whole Tesla front, I would love to meet and he lives in my town, but I would love to meet, um, uh, Elon Musk.

Jeff: Um, I, I just, I, I, I've watched him on so many things and just how his brain works. I would just love to sit there and kind of take in some of what, how his brain works sometimes. 'cause it's just, it's really amazing. Uh, his, if you've never seen it, his interview that he did talking about, um. AI and and what he sees about ai.

Jeff: It was just so interesting. All the people that are scared about ai, it was absolutely amazing. 

Axel (2): Yeah, I'm a big fan of watching every time he goes to Lex treatment. Yeah, because that gives you really insight. I think he's been there four times and I have even told people, if you really want to get a little bit of a feeling of the evolution, then go to the first appearance and then the next one.

Axel (2): The next [00:35:00] one, yeah. I am actually honestly hoping. That he's doing it again soon. Really amazing. Well, it was 

Jeff: the one I'm thinking of the, the interview I'm thinking of was with Tucker Carlson, and it was the, the last interview that he did that Tucker did before he left Fox. 

Axel: Yeah. 

Jeff: And it was just, it was amazing because, I mean, the, the gist of it was that, you know, everybody talks about how AI is gonna take over the world and all that.

Jeff: And he said, he goes, I look at AI as almost like. It's looking into our world, almost like a TV show, and we entertain it and he is like, why would you destroy something that entertains you? So he, he goes, it's just that the way I AI is, is it's just that constant learning and it wants to learn more and it's not gonna just destroy the hand that feeds it when it comes to that.

Jeff: So, 

Axel (2): yeah, absolutely. So I think we are both, uh, fans and I'm, I'm also shareholder, so, you know, even though I've never come to your area to shareholder day. I want to know [00:36:00] if the robo taxis are actually doing what they're supposed to do. And you guys will be the first ones to just We're, 

Jeff: we're getting them first.

Jeff: Yeah. They're. I, hopefully it'll be the smaller ones and not the big ginormous cyber trucks because those things are, take up so much space. Well, we've had, I mean, yeah, that's the thing here in Austin, we've had, um, well, there's been like two or three companies that have been testing those things, good and bad.

Jeff: Um, I, I am guessing that Tesla's probably gonna do it better than everybody else. They just tend to do that. Their technology works better. Uh, the other company that was here, they, they ended up, all of 'em after a football game, ended up balled up on one street and none of them were moving because they, they got to the point where it was like, okay, we can't move because the other one can't move.

Jeff: And, and it was a mess and they stopped that. But, uh, I'm, I'm guessing Tesla's probably gonna figure it out. 

Axel (2): Yeah. I, I thought it was kind of funny. Alright, Jeff, thank you so much and um, you know, we stayed together and like you said, you know, congratulations [00:37:00] on the book. And thank you sir. Guys, get in touch with, uh, Jeff Keel because he is a really good guy.

Jeff: Thanks Axel. I appreciate it. And folks, make sure that you rate this show as well. Um, I mean, he's got 400 and some odd episodes, but it never hurts to hit a rating on a, on iTunes or wherever you're listening to it. 

Axel: Thank you.